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Vol. VI, Issue #2 - April 2018

** Article by J. G. Preston, my early Strat Mentor
 
A History of Pitchers Not Batting Ninth and
the Managers Who Did This the Most Often
 **



(J.G. Preston introduced me to my first SOM Baseball league played by mail in
the 1970's. We have spoken to J. G. before via two interviews but this time I
want to share a part of one of the amazing on-line articles J.G. writes about
MLB Baseball and its history. If  you enjoy this article, he has a whole blog
filled with more as well as writes more articles for
SABR: in the Baseball
Biography Project
 (http://sabr.org/bioproject) where he speaks
about players you have never heard of
.  J.G. is relentless
)


(
Notes from the Wolfman:  
Its been awhile since I spoke about J.G. and my connection with him so a quick review how I make contact with him before we move on to his most interesting article.

I received my 1st Strat-o-matic Game back in 1967 with the 1966 cards.  At this early time in SOM's history, there were not many gamers I could find to play with in my local area. Then through the Strat-o-matic Review, I read about a baseball league that was looking for new members, actually a supplemental league to the major league that J.G. was running at this time.  This is how I became involved with my first mail league.  Note - to read about the members of this supplemental league meeting at the 1st Strat-o-matic Convention, held in Kalamazoo, MI, sponsored by the Strat-o-matic Review with permission with the game company, read my 1st report summarizing the 1972 Convention as told via the SOM Review, scroll down the page and look for the section entitled: "Who Are Those Guys" - to view this article, click here.)

Then, in 1973, when SOM did their convention in Brooklyn, I met J.G. directly, who had worked for a time at the game company.  It was this remarkable person that first called me "Wolfman" Shapiro.  Below are the links on our websites with two special individuals conducted with J.G. you may find of interest:

http://www.ultimatestratbaseball.com/USBN-1-2013/jgpreston-Jan2013.htm

http://www.ultimatestratbaseball.com/USBN-1-2017/JGPreston-January2017.htm

J.G. has given me permission to share any of the articles he has written on his blog, which he calls "The J.G. Preston Experience" - which you can find at: https://prestonjg.wordpress.com or I get emails from him when he has submitted a new article for SABR (click here to see his author's page on SABR) -- I thought I was a writer, J.G. is coming out with new baseball stories and analyst so often, its hard to keep up with him.

Now for the sharing of this article he originally started in 2013 and then updated it last November, to keep it current through the 2017 MLB Season, I am only sharing a small part of it, as it is quite long, just the beginning.  However, I was quite amazed, especially more recently how many managers are going with the pitcher hitting 8th.  So at the end of this portion of the article is a link to his blog page where the full article is shown as he also discusses which managers have had their pitcher batting eighth. In case you guessed it is Joe Madden of the Cubs who has done this the most during a single season, you would be close but he comes in second. Also to your right on the blog post is a list of many other great articles/posts that you may wish to read as well - I had a great selection to pick from, to decide one of the best articles that J.G. has shared over the years.

Because I believe very strongly that the more you know about the real history and the true stories linked with MLB , the more you are going to appreciate playing the game we love especially when you manager players from seasons in the past.  So get comfortable as we hear from a strat brother who has turn into a true baseball researcher, historian and writer - my friend, Mr. J.G., please take it away again ...)
 




The J.G. Preston Experience
A show with everything but Yul Brynner…
 

A History of Pitchers not Batting Ninth, and
the Managers Who did it Most Often


(This post was updated November 25, 2017 to
include data through the 2017 season.)

Ultimate Strat Baseball Newsletter - J.G. Preston, Strat-o-matic Baseball Gamer, SABR and Baseball Blog Poster

In putting together a batting order, major league managers have traditionally had one iron-clad rule: the pitcher bats ninth. Even pitchers who are excellent hitters are stuck in the last spot in the order. Don Newcombe hit .359 when he won 20 games for the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1955, with seven home runs in 117 at-bats, and was used as a pinch-hitter 23 times, but he batted ninth in all 31 of his startsWes Ferrell hit .347 as a 25-game winner for the 1935 Boston Red Sox, with seven homers in 150 at-bats (he had a .446 career slugging percentage), and was used as a pinch-hitter 36 times, but batted ninth in all 38 of his starts.

 

This lineup card, like most in major league history, has the pitcher batting ninth

This lineup card,
like most in major league history, has the pitcher batting ninth

The urge to bat the pitcher ninth is so strong that Hall of Famers Babe Ruth and George Sisler both batted ninth as pitchers in seasons during which they hit in the heart of the order when they played in the field.

But in recent years, some managers have moved the pitcher out of the ninth spot in the order on a frequent basis (one manager, as you may know, far more than others). This post will not include what those managers said about their decisions to modify the traditional batting order, nor will it make any attempt at analysis to determine if using the pitcher elsewhere in the order is more effective. What I will do is quantify the use of this tactic and show the teams and managers that have used it most often.

To get the information, I’ve used Baseball-Reference.com’s Play Index that makes use of the box scores compiled by Retrosheet from 1916 through 2015. The Retrosheet site also has box scores from 1915 that are not yet part of Play Index, so they’re not part of my search, but I can check the 1915 boxes for players discussed here. (ADDED 10/7/15: Yes, 1913, 1914 and 1915 have been added to the B-R.com database, and I will get around to updating this post to include those seasons.)

I will exclude some players from the discussion because they saw extensive action playing other positions; they’re not what we think of as “pitchers.”

Babe Ruth hit cleanup as a pitcher for the Red Sox

Babe Ruth hit cleanup as a pitcher for the Red Sox

Babe Ruth: When Ruth was a full-time pitcher, through 1917, he batted ninth. But starting in 1918 he saw more action as an outfielder than as a pitcher. In 1918 he batted cleanup while pitching 11 times and seventh once. (He batted ninth in seven of his starts.) In 1919 he batted cleanup in 13 of his mound starts and ninth in the other two. (Ruth led the American League in homers in both 1918 and 1919; I wonder if he’s the only player who ever led his league in homers during a season in which he started a game batting ninth?) Ruth started four games as a pitcher for the Yankees, during the years when he was a full-time outfielder, and batted third or fourth in all of them. The Babe is the only player in the 1916-2012 database who batted cleanup in a game he started as a pitcher and may be the only man in major league history to pitch a shutout while batting cleanup, his last major league shutout in 1918. Babe is also the only starting pitcher in postseason history, at least going back to the first World Series in 1903, to bat anywhere other than ninth; he hit sixth for the Red Sox in Game 4 of the 1918 World Series (he drove in Boston’s first two runs and was the winning pitcher). Ruth pitched the first eight innings of that game and spent the ninth inning in left field as Bullet Joe Bush finished the game on the mound; the only other player to pitch and play the field in the same postseason game, going back to 1903, was Cardinals’ reliever Todd Worrell, who finished Game 6 of the 1987 National League Championship Series in right field after pitching an inning. ADDED 10/23/15: Cubs manager Joe Maddon put his pitcher in the eighth spot four times in the 2015 postseason; details to follow.

George Sisler: Sisler was primarily a first baseman and an outfielder as a rookie in 1915, but he also pitched 70 innings.  He batted ninth in all of his pitching starts that season, even though he typically batted third (and never ninth) in other games. Sisler also batted ninth in the first game he started on the mound in 1916, despite having batted third or fourth in all his previous starts in the field that year. But in his two pitching starts later that season and one in 1918 he batted third. (That includes the game in which he pitched a 
1-0 shutout against Walter Johnson and the Senators, which may make Sisler the only player in major league history to pitch a shutout while batting third.)

Ed Konetchy: Konetchy played more than 2000 career games at first base. He batted in what was then his regular spot in the order, sixth, when he made his one major league pitching start in 1918 for the Boston Braves (pitching a complete game but getting clobbered). The player who batted ninth for the Braves, Hugh Canavan, was making his only career major league start in the field; he was normally a pitcher. I’d love to know more about the circumstances of that game. Konetchy made two relief appearances in the majors and got credit for a victory with 4-2/3 innings of shutout relief in a game for the Cardinals in 1913. (If anyone can help with the date of that game, I’d be grateful.) (UPDATE 8/4/13: Turns out that game was May 4; I have more about that game as well as the game Konetchy started in this post.)

Jack Bentley: Bentley was both a batting and pitching star in the minor leagues (leading the International League in both RBI and ERA in 1920) and also pitched a little in the majors in his younger days. The New York Giants acquired him in 1923 as a pitcher, but in 1926, the Phillies picked him up and switched him to first base. He normally batted fifth when he played first, and Bentley also hit fifth in his first start as a pitcher that season, although he hit ninth in two later starts.

Bucky Walters batted higher than ninth twice while pitching for the Phillies

Bucky Walters batted higher than ninth twice while pitching for the Phillies

Bucky Walters: Walters was primarily a third baseman in the majors until he made his first pitching start in the final game of the 1934 season (he batted ninth in that game; in the first game of the doubleheader, starting at third base, he batted seventh, and I wonder if that makes him the only man in major league history to start one game of a doubleheader in the field and the other on the mound). From 1935 on he was primarily a pitcher, normally batting ninth except for a game when he batted seventh in 1935 and a game when he batted eighth (and pitched a shutout) in 1937. (Walters started games in the field in 1935 and 1937 and always batted higher in the order when he did.)

Johnny Lindell: Lindell reached the major leagues as a pitcher, having never played any other position in the minors, but was a full-time outfielder with the Yankees from 1943-50. He then went back to the minors, started pitching again, and returned to the majors as a pitcher in 1953. He typically batted ninth when he pitched that year, but he batted fifth in two of his starts (he also batted fifth in two starts at first base).

 

Al Dark: Dark was the leadoff hitter in the Giants’ final game of the 1953 season at Pittsburgh and pitched the first inning, then moved to third base.

Cesar Tovar: Tovar was the starting pitcher and leadoff hitter in the game in which he played all nine positions in 1968. (Obscure fact: no starting pitcher batted in the number two spot in the order in the 1916-2012 period.)

There’s one other pitcher I’m going to exclude: Andy Sonnanstine, because he batted third by accident, not by managerial design. That happened in a game in 2009; Sonnanstine was not listed in the original batting order, but he wound up hitting third after Rays manager Joe Maddon submitted a lineup card with two third basemen and no designated hitter. Sonnanstine took advantage of the rare opportunity to bat in an American League game by hitting an RBI double.

Okay, with those exclusions out of the way, here’s the rundown of times in which a team had the starting pitcher batting somewhere other than the ninth spot, by year, since 1916:




Walter Johnson at bat

Walter Johnson batted as high as fifth in the order while pitching for the Washington Senators. This photo came from the Twitter account of the North Carolina band The Skimmers.

1916-1919

The only true pitcher who batted anywhere but ninth during these years was Walter Johnson. We don’t have box scores available for Johnson’s first eight seasons in the majors (1907-14). In 1915 he batted sixth three times. Then in 1916 he batted seventh eight times, sixth once and batted fifth on June 1, the highest position in the lineup ever (from 1916 on, anyway) for a pitcher who did not also have extensive experience as a position player. That made a total of 10 pitching starts in which Johnson did not bat ninth that year. In 1917 he batted eighth once; in 1918 he batted eighth once and seventh once; in 1919 he batted eighth once and sixth once. Clark Griffith was the Senators’ manager in all those seasons, giving him a known total of 18 games in which he batted the pitcher somewhere other than ninth. From 1920 on Johnson hit only in the ninth spot as a starting pitcher. He actually started at least five games in the outfield in his career (one in 1915, two in 1918 and two in 1919) and was a .235 career hitter.*
 

 

------> To continue to read J.G.'s exciting and very comprehensive article on his blog post called "The J.G. Preston Experience, click on the link below at:

https://prestonjg.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/a-history-of-pitchers-not-batting-ninth-and-the-managers-who-did-it-most-often/


Wolfman:
 If any of our members wish to contact J.G. directly with some personal questions, the best way to do so is to email him at: jgpreston@gmail.com.

Periodically I plan to share other articles by my old mentor as his insights into the history of Major League Baseball are fascinating and highly interesting ... thank you again J. G. for sharing your unique insights about baseball with our members.

 


 
 

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Contained inside this exciting issue of the Ultimate Strat Baseball Newsletter:

(to view the various interviews, articles, columns and special sections click on the links {underlined} and this will take you to the appropriate webpage)

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  INTERVIEW with BRUCE BUNDY, In this Month issue of our newsletter, for Mr. Bundy's column, "Strat Thoughts", the Wolfman talks to Bruce about his experiences and life linked with Strat-o-matic Baseball, as we learn how Bruce became so well known within our community.  Take a peek at this enjoyment chat with Bruce Bundy (added April 9th to this issue of the newsletter).

  ARTICLE with DAVE LUBERA, Dave and Richard Lubera were yearly attendees for the Illinois SOM National Conventions from 1975-1980 - in this article Dave shares with our members some of his experiences, stories and memories of these early times and the tournaments with photos and copies of some of the documents linked to the planning of the conventions that have been lost over time.

  1961 BASEBALL CARDS with TOM NAHIGIAN, We return again this month with a look at the card images of the original MLB players released for the 1961 season by Strat-o-matic thanks to the sharing by Tom Nahigian who scanned for us all the cards from 1960 and 1961 from his whole collection.

  SOM Baseball and MLB World News - April 2018, This is our periodic column where we share any exciting news and updates linked to either the SOM World or MLB. In this issue, we discuss the free 1890 MLB teams, various minor league team and players, a few cuban teams and a ton of professional Negro teams, created by Alan Davidson which you can receive from him for free and, the series of the century, coming up later this month, between the All Time Great Cub vs. the Yankee Players and the key role this series will play in a new short story to be written by the Wolfman and why.

  STRAT WISE with MARC WASSERMAN commissioner of the Cyber Baseball Association (CBA) continues his new column by sharing more in depth about two key new features in the 2018 SOM Computer Baseball Game, the use of the cloud which makes running a league and passing the league files much easier and a new rule that could alter and change your game play called "Extreme Matchup".

  Special Report/Story with WOLFMAN SHAPIRO, The book that this story will eventually be a part of is tentatively called, "How They Play Baseball in Heaven", but this story is linked to the results of a so-called fantasy 3 game series held at Wrigley Field between the Greatest NY Yanks who ever lived, vs. the same with the Chicago Cubs -- this is a multi-page report with a full explanation of the book it will turn into, why this series and a full reporting on the 3 games played. Be prepared for one wild ride from the crazed mind of a Wolfman as he shares this story piece meal here in the April issue as well as his way to celebrate his 63rd birthday (April 17th).

  RECOMMEND ON-LINE SOM RESOURCES -- On-line Strat-o-matic and Baseball related websites that offer amazing information, special tools and products to improve your game play that we strongly recommend. In most cases, we have had personal contact with these sources who agree with the idea and key principle about working together to help promote each other.

  BOOKS TO DIE FOR and Become a BASEBALL GURU -- This page is specifically about special books we are finding that either will expand your insights about the game of Baseball, help you in the creation of your current league teams or with your replays and learn more about the Strat-o-matic Baseball Game and Game Company's history.  We have a special arrangement with Acta Sports, who is a publisher of a number of great baseball books (including Bill James Handbooks) to offer for our members a 10% discount. We will continue to add more books to this page in the future as we uncover other gems our members should know about.


 




 

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